A young man, who calls himself 'relover69' on Freeballing.com expressed recently his thoughts and misgivings or fears about wearing sweat pants and not having on any underwear. I've seen him for several years on that discussion board as an active communicator about the issue (or hobby) of freeballing. He's written a lot on many different issues related to being gay and freeballing, and also how these relate to how he's getting along with friends, family and school life. Now, he's a college student and has a different set of concerns. NOTE: The photos below are not of the guy named 'relover69' although some of them are of other members of the Freeballing.com, who have posted their pics in the past, wearing sweat pants.

Relover69 wrote:

I LOVVVVE to freeball in sweats in the winter, very rarely in public though, but I just love the way to fleece feels on my bare *** and also how much freedom there is in the front for my penis and balls to flop around every time I walk.

I also see many guys in sweats at my college, but I never look hard enough to see if they are freeballing or not . If I had the total confidence of freeballing I would freeball to school in sweats every day. But it shows off way too much of the head of my penis and if anyone wanted to pay attention, they would definitely see I am without underwear.

I once freeballed in sweats to math class the day we had a test, and I was BEYOND comfortable, but I was too self conscious. In reality I got hard once in the car [on the way to school, but it] went down by the time I had gone to class, and then once while in class, and after that went away, I was so relaxed and comfortable in them...

Do you know anyone who regularly freeballs in sweat pants on a daily basis, everywhere they go??

My response to relover about his dilemma (smile)
Kelly (sunbuns) responded:

I wonder what's holding you back, too. Well.. like Triangle said, it's obvious that you want to do it, but I'm just considering what's keeping you from doing that.
Are you afraid of how you'll be viewed if you end up getting a boner in school while freeballing in sweat pants?




Do you have some kind of guilty conscience about exposing the shape and size of your dick while freeballing in them?



Maybe you're not satisfied with your total appearance? It seemed really hot when the good looking guys and buff jocks (in high school and college) would wear tight jeans or cut-off t-shirts that showed their navels and polished abs or sleeveless shirts where you could see their nipples sometimes when they turned or their underarm hairs. Those emblems of masculinity shown so boastfully are forgiven by girls and guys alike when the guy doing it is popular (which usually means he's rich, good looking or talented in sports or something else or can make people laugh or garner support by making fun or otherwise influencing others).

I sadly do not have any good stories of me freeballing in them, but do you??

So maybe you need to work on your image. I'm not saying your self-image needs work.. it's up to you to decide that. But maybe you should try a make-over. That is try out a significant change in your looks, attitude, fashion or behavior and see what effect it has on people. It will likely also have a pretty big effect on you, too, once you see how people react to and notice you differently.

As an example, I sometimes try an experiment at my school. Being a college professor I can pretty much dress as I like: jeans and t-shirt, three-piece suit, ethnic attire (kilt or Japanese yukata), or just casual khaki pants, shirt and jacket. Of course, I'm (mostly) freeballing in any and all of these. However, it can notice a difference from the very fact that I dress differently -- even though no one may draw attention to the fact that they even notice the change. People's eyes move to places and parts of me that I hadn't noticed them doing so before, or people who normally don't greet me will, all of a sudden, say 'Good morning.' and even start casual conversations. 

So you should try it out first -- without freeballing as an issue -- first of all. Find out how much you do or don't like the extra attention. If you find you like it, then your own self-image will change, and consequently, so will your confidence to freeball (or not), and to be your own person.

Of course, good hygiene, clearing up skin acne, a nice haircut and a little styling, trimming down or buffing up the body using by getting a good diet of the big 5 and regular exercise, as well as a little muscle and stamina training will also do wonders.

Finally, I suggest you try my long standard 'wardrobe fix'. Here's the way it works:

Wear open front boxers under your sweats, but then pull your cock and balls through the open fly in the boxers and pull them up. You'll feel a little constriction which might make your cock swell up and fill out. But if you do pop a boner or drip after a piss or leak precum, you'll have some 'protection' to cover up with -- just in case. Beside, the lift it gives you dicks and balls looks and feels great.

If you're going to freeball, you might as well to it in sweats, then everybody ought to get the benefit (so let them see that you don't care about whether guys or girls (or horny teachers -- like me) see your junk.

If you really can't because it'll just be obscene, then gradually work your way up to that by trying the technique above or my wearing different styles of pants, trousers, jeans, dress pants (suit), athletic gear, hiking pants, etc...until you start to feel free, comfortable and not afraid to show off what Mother Nature (and your DNA) intended you to possess.

Go for it, dude.

I have just joined a gay social networking and news media site for men in Asian called Fridae.com - one of their tribes (discussion groups) is the Nudist and Naturalist Networks. Here is what I added to several responses concerning: Where in Asian can a guy go to a nudist beach?

In Japan, there are only two places where guys (mostly gay men) go as a nude beach (one in Chiba, and the other is a deserted spot on Shonan Beach). Neither are well known by the general public partly because they are so hard to find, and far from Tokyo. Also, it's not like Black's Beach or ones in other Westernized countries, people get naked very discreetly even on a supposedly nude beach. They generally wear swimwear when walking around or when in the water, but remove their clothes while lying in the sun.

The next best thing to a nude beach then is a hot springs resort or a public bathing spa, the latter of which there are over 50 in Tokyo. In these, men and women have separate bathing areas. Often, there is a small outside areas (enclosed by a fence for privacy) where the naked men can soak in a pool of mineral waters or lounge naked or draped in a towel. Inside, there are various types of baths, but the men are usually totally naked when walking to and from each pool and when they sit on stools at individual showers for washing body and hair. Many of them have wet and dry saunas.

So, despite their being little interest in nude beaches, Japanese are often fond of such warm mineral baths, and even travel to stay in the many areas of the country where there are nice resort hotels grouped around these hot springs, such as Hakone.

However, you don't have to go far from any metropolitan area to enjoy the same atmosphere of men enjoying being naked. Formerly, there were the old-fashioned public baths or 'sento' in every neighorhood, which have just about disappeared these days, being replaced by large, more modern and luxurious: bathing resort (or 'onsen' - hot springs bath or spa).
 The water has a higher content of minerals, particularly sodium (salt) and it's either brought in or created, but in sometimes comes naturally from the ground as Japan is a set of volcanic islands, also prone to earthquakes, as everyone knows.Well... for those in Malaysia or Singapore, and other places where there are not naked places, you can do what I often do: Make your own nude beach by just getting naked where the general public cannot see (easily).

I love being naked outdoors and often do so when there is a patch of land or a bushy area along side a river or a section of recreational land. If men are already sunbathing someplace, then just find a more hidden place in the same area and take it a step further: remove all your clothes and cover your privates. When no one is around, you can remove the covering.

In my trips to Thai, Singapore and Malaysia, I can recall a few places where this might happen, such as Sentosa Island, or a bit further afield - take a ferry or boat to one of the Indonesian islands not far from Singapore. There are surely some deserted beaches as well along Malaysia's southern coast, perhaps on Tioman Island (as there are plenty of foreigners), and also in East  Malaysia (Sarawak), I was able to get naked inside the Bako National Park both inland and at any of many deserted beaches. Guides on individually hired boats can take you to a certain point, and pick you up later.

I realize that an important element may be missing when you simply go out and get naked alone. One of the most fun things about nude beaches is not only about being seen in the nude. It's also the chance to see others (especially men) in all their naked glory. You can't always do both at the same time. There must be places and events where men in various Asian countries are naked or dressing / undressing so take advantages of those spots even if you can't be naked yourself at the same time.

However, you may get a chance to see both nature and men doing things in nature and completely naturally that you didn't expect to see, such as guys having sex or masturbating because they think they are alone, like in this photo from a voyeur site above. Or scenes like the ones below - where everyday Asian guys just enjoy finally being able to get completely naked in public.

 

Being Naked in front of other Clothed Guys
                            
What is CMNM?

CMNM = clothed male / naked male.  It is a mild to extreme form of erotic stimulation that a male gets from being the naked one in front of other clothed men; or when a clothed male gets aroused by being in front of a naked man or several nude ones.

I've been active in trying to organize online ( with blogs, sites, groups) and also locality-based offline events for a while now. You'll find our CMNM blog at guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com (remove any extra spaces).

You can find the info at the blog above.
   
Types of CMNM

There are several major strands of the CMNM scenes.

1) Exhibitionist / Voyeur scenes -- So you can find photos and situations / experiences told from one of those perspectives -- It may be a proper event such as a triathlon - where runners strip naked while changing for another event, or your public streaking or street festival or event where public nudity is displayed.

2) Another big one is the BDSM - bondage and discipline scenes
Where guys are forced to strip and perform sexual acts for the pleasure other, mostly clothed men; in any case, there is an element of domination / control or submission / coercion without or not any 'pain'. Often NM admit to wanting to be humiliated.


3) Innocent or accidental buddy CMNM -- These are situations where gay and/or often straight men are unintentionally or accidentally nude or perhaps sometimes acceptably naked in front of other clothed men: camping, sports teams, the gym locker room, communal showers, etc

4) Genre CMNM or a categorized fetish for one type of situation or clothing and the lack of clothes -- such as a medical fetish, nudity in military situations, male striptease performers, erotic massage, etc. When the situation or specific object itself assumes an importance in the sexual gratification we can call it a CMNM fetish or genre of CMNM - for example, some guys crave being examined naked by a clothed doctor or start utilizing male sensual masseurs because of the erotic stimulation of being massaged by a clothed male while naked.

General Info about CMNM

Obviously, a person can have strong feelings and desires for more than one type of CMNM and the boundaries do overlap or blur.
The latter one especially is not strictly defined but it is often recognized as the 'only' type by the general population.

Nudity with clothed plays a huge role in most of human activities in which men engage - and most of which are NOT related to sex behavior. The role of nudity and being naked is a significant element of most all male group and male relationships - regardless of whether they are gay or straight or curious.

Not everyone who is interested in or turned on by the CMNM scene is gay, bi, or curious. CMNM is not simply a homosexual form of behavior. Actually, there are plenty of straight guys, who consciously or even subconsciously get some satisfaction from being naked or clothed with other naked men. Maybe they are just horny or starved for affection. There are also women who are turned on or intrigued by reality of a man being naked in front of clothed men and/or clothed women (or the reverse). Whether this nakedness is natural, socially acceptable, expected, forced on them, or totally exhibitionist, it generally involves either sexual arousal for the naked guy or the clothed guy(s) watching or for both. Such is the magic of this complicated scene - CMNM.

It's really a sexual preference lifestyle issue, but some would call it a sexual fetish or perversion. However, in many ways, male nudity permeates almost all aspects of male-to-male relationships and influences the nature of masculinity and what it means to be a man.

Men use nudity and exposure of body parts or genitals to communicate affection, friendship, camaraderie, power /control, and even distain or disgust.

Being aware CMNM scenes and being turned on by them is subconscious for most males. We're just a select few who have recognized it as a separate way of psycho-sexual interaction and, for some personal or social stimulation.

Once you think more deeply about it, you'll be able recognize and see its effects in buddy-to-buddy friendships, sports and athletic camaraderie, male-bonding and growing up, rites of passages for young males, social events, public and private clubs and social organizations, schooling, and especially in the past - even the constant girl-chasing pack mentality of romance, male lust (and sex) and the antics and rituals associated with those. More recent acceptance of gays in society has meant that 'guy-chasing' and the behaviors around that once secretive activity are becoming more known. So CMNM (like CFNM - "clothed female-naked male") is becoming a recognized category of human sexual activity.

Finally, there is a fairly new porn site: www.cmnm.net  which seems to be patterned after the more common CFNM type of porn sites.
You can find out more by visiting the CMNM blog at: http://guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com
or see our resource pages.

You can also join one of our social networks listed there (including a private one here on Tribe.net). You can join for free and simply register using an email address.

However, you need to get an invitation from a Tribe friend who belongs if you wish to join the private CMNM tribe on Tribe.net (You can pass along your email to me in a private message so that I can send you an invitation).

Cheers and dare to stay bare...

Part I - Hostels
An except from a discussion on Justusboys.com (Fetish Forum) about showering with other guys, and other forms of buddy-erotic stimulation.

Hoodies-fun wrote:
I love backpack traveling; as i do enjoy a bit of nudism as well.
Has anyone been to any hostel anywhere with a communal shower(where you can shower in a group)?  Please kindly share with me.

I have one to share: Name: city hostel berlin Location : Berlin,Germany
Tips: there is huge shower room with 6 shower head for dorm tenants on every floor

Any stories of seeing a mate or being caught naked in a dorm or hostel? Being hard is a bonus.

I recently spent a week at a hostel and stayed in a 12 bed room with bathroom (3 shower stalls + 3 toilet stalls) attached. I sleep naked, and in the middle of the night I'd just walk naked (and usually hard) to the bathroom, since nobody would be awake. On a few occasions, when I opened to enter/leave, somebody would be on the other side, and they'd see me with my boner and nothing to hide it with. The first time I tried (unsuccessfully) to hide my erect cock and balls with my hands, but the later times I just casually let it hang out as I walked past. One guy commented "nice dick" and laughed, and I explained I thought nobody would be up at this hour. Considering how late it was and how many times guys saw me, I think at least one of these encounters in the bathroom was not just a coincidence, maybe some were curious to see something too lol. Lot of great memories in that hostel.

Sunbuns' response:
It's one of my loves too - traveling by staying in hostels exactly because it's fun to see nude guys and be naked with them (CMNM is my passion). However, there are not too many hostels left with communal showers. It's much the same for most any 'newer' or modern gym, sports club, campgrounds, etc. When they renovate, the management decides it's easier/wiser to put in closed, individual showers - instead of communal ones.

Generator Hostel London is centrally located in Russell Square. There are showers on every floor (separate men and women's) but they aren't really open or communal - although they have just curtains which you can leave open (or partly open) with a common changing area. I stayed in a basement floor room with 20 bunk beds. So I was able to see and be seen a bit even in the room since there are so many people (coming in at all time and hours) - actually, it was not very nice for sleepy but very cheap and in a good location in central London; they also had a lot of amenities / perks for backpackers but it was very large and crowded (even on March 20-21). I slept nude the time I was there and got out of bed naked to pull on shorts to go out into the hall. Once my ass was sticking out from the blanket/sheet so my bunk mates could be heard sneaking a photo of my naked butt.

What might be more fun - although the prices are cheap is to stay in one of New York City's YMCA recreation hotels. If you get a room, you can use the gym, pool, locker room and sauna/steam room freely as a guest. There is plenty of nudity because local men join the YMCA as a health and fitness club so they come there after (or before) work. The West Side YMCA is near 6th Ave and Broadway so it's very convenient.

 I haven't tried any other hostels in NYC.
Thanks for the info on the one in Berlin. If you don't get any answers or suggestions, you should also try Dudesnude.com (Forum), and Dickflash.com and such sites where gay travel or male-to-male exhibitionism is discussed.

  Normally, people who live in a city don't know much about the hostels - you have to find travelers or backpackers who have. Sometimes regular traveler advice sites will have such info (because some people complain about the showers and bathroom etc). Also the hostels describe their own facilities well enough for you to figure out what might work.

I have posted on my blog (here on JUB) about hostels and hooking up with guys (or at least dickflashing or nude-clothed encounters), and also elsewhere on my other blogs. I can direct you to those articles and sites if needed. Let me know.

I'm not a youth but I love staying at (youth) hostels. Today's hostels are not just for the under 26 backpacker. You can often choose from a variety of room types (including privates or double) along with bunk beds in dorms. Some regular hotels even offer 'hostel' type rooms - such as the Gershwin in New York City.
Clearly, some people think these budget accommodations / dorm-type rooms and shared baths should be called 'hostile' - like QueerAngel said - it can be uncomfortable Comfort is not the only reason to stay somewhere. But if comfort's what you need while on vacation, you probably wouldn't find it at most hostels. People who love the outdoors don't expect there to be comfort on a camping trip - so as I said staying in a hostel is a like indoor camping - group spirit, shared facilities, respect for individuality...

 These other benefits of hosteling more than make up for the lack of comfort. Not to speak of the economy, I can stay 4 nights at a night (at least) for the price of one night in a 'comfortable' hotel. Each traveler is different and has different reasons and purposes for the trip. I am NOT trying to defend hostels or deny any traveler what's important for his / her trip, just asking you recognize that one style of vacation or one kind of hotel/accommodation would not suit everyone.

I've almost never found anyone with whom I could not communicate (although I might not have actually have wanted to communicate (grin). It's like boy scout camp or a sleep-over or a college party (without the noise - hopefully).

I enjoy the camaraderie that's generated when strangers esp. travelers (often single men and women) bunk together - it really is more like camping than a hotel stay - so it's not for everyone. But I really enjoy my stays because I fee free to be myself (more than when I'm home or at work). I feel comfortable being the 'gay' guy who is older, wiser, and knowledgeable, and friendly.

I'm not getting 'hit' on by my roomies and wouldn't really want that (at least on the surface). I just enjoy getting to know people, talking, and sometimes getting to see them live their lives in front of me. Sometimes there is 'sexual' attraction - but typically it's not mutual. Still.. my hostel roommates once all went skinny dipping at the local public beach late one night. (4 men and 2 women).

The stay is really what you make out of it.. it can be unfriendly and lonely but normally if you open up to the idea and the possibilities, it can be a great time well spent. Sometimes you make a lot of friends because the group just congeals.

I have written about my 'hostel' stays in my blogs. There is never really anything 'hot' - no sex in the hostel room - but I have certainly had some great fun and got to hang out with some sexy guys and sometimes been naked together.

This entry is a related follow-up to the previous post and also earlier on my Kelly's Second Life (blog). It was sparked in part because I had recently given the issues involved some deep thought, but also because I'm fascinated by scenes depicted in these photos: guys being naked around other clothed (semi-naked), and nude guys - especially here in Japan, where I am a member of an extreme social/racial minority: foreign white gay married father among 125 million Japanese.

[ This entry was also posted one of my other blogs: Otoko - The Japanese Male and on my Tribe and JustUsBoys blogs. The reason for that is because nowadays I never know when my blog and my user id will be deleted without warning. Yahoo! is infamous for doing so, but I've recognized recently that Google may being trying to 'clean up' its own house - so to speak. Dozens (that I know) of amateur 'monetized' blogs with explicit sexual gay content have disappeared from Blogspot in the last few weeks.]

They're all wearing the traditional 'yukata' - thin, cotton kimono-like coat - with (hopefully) nothing on underneath. When the alcohol, good food and camaraderie take effect, they start dancing sometimes in the buff or provocatively draped, they sing (karaoke) or do stunts (handstands, etc), and then everybody heads down to the communal baths in the resorts - usually downstairs and many times facing outdoors - a river, wooded stream or even the ocean. Those who can no longer stand - due to the alcohol- might be helped by to their rooms, and fondled or groped or even much more (I only know what I would be doing if my buddy had passed out half naked). Back in the baths, the antics usually escalate - naked men are scrubbing each other's back, and there's the relentless teasing about the size of somebody's dick (often teased that he's too big), and sooner of later somebody passes out from heat exhaustion and too much liquor. A few erections may emerge from under the suds or hidden while squatting in the thigh-deeper hot pools of volcanic mineral waters.

All in all.. it's a great time for everyone.

Japanese men are horny a whole lot of the time and - in my opinion - the repressive nature of their society actually only deepens and heightens the sexual tensions for the average company worker. The stress of so many social and work responsibilities is sometimes almost too much to bear: 'fetch this' and 'do this now' is the only thing workers hear all day and half the night since they almost always work overtime for NO (or little) pay.

Without much recourse or with little leeway for arguing back, they submissively accept what they have to do, and go about it quietly (or at least only mutter out of earshot) or complain to their 'real' friends later.

All this comes bubbling to the surface when the drinks and relaxation reach the max at big group parties out in the country.

The months of repressed desire also come bubbling to their consciousness - well.. at least it would in mind. Japanese men are generally dissuaded from 'flirting' in public - especially in an office situation. In fact, it use to be true that inter-office affairs and romantic relationships were so frowned upon that a worker risked getting transferred or - in the worse case - fired for dating a co-worker. It really is much less true nowadays because of the changes occurring in the society and in the economy. However, to some extent interoffice romance is discouraged. In that kind of environment, young men (ages 22- 35) before marriage didn't have many avenues for sexual or romantic release -except Japanese anime and pornography, and the nightly jerk-off once they crawled in to bed after midnight when they got home from a couple of 'mandatory' rounds a the local pub with the office gang - that often included their immediate superior (who was bucking for promotion or for leverage to support his pet projects).


The trips to the onsen (hot spring resorts) and the pub crawls after working later are rather like R & R for the troops in an army that's on dangerous duty. This was (and still is in some cases) the Civilian Military - (Japan Incorporated) because that was exactly how the typical Japanese factory or company used to operate. The new ones were the recruits -- called upon to have to endure all kinds of hardships (working 12-16 hour days for example was expected), so these 'trips' were probably a natural way to help relieve a lot of stress.. some of it under the belt line - so to speak.

There is no doubt in my mind that many a young company employee (male or perhaps more so the females) was 'defrocked' while on one of these onsen excursions organized by his (her) company or social group.

The situation has ameliorated to some extent. It is not easy to determine how much though. Japan still has the highest rates of suicide of any industrialized (first world) nation, and the numbers continue to swell. Over 30,000 per year end their lives and by estimates, nearly 4 times as many try to do so.

Japanese has a massive social networking infrastructure long, long before the days of the Internet - or Facebook. I could write a book on this and related topics... but - in reality - much of it is coming to an end. Today's young people do not want to participate to the same degree as before. The number of 'freeters' - young people who refuse to get a full-time job, who often still live at home on their parents' dime, and are content with having little money - but lots of freedom and tons of free time to work part-time at as many as 3 jobs, quit when they get tired of one, go out with friends to sing karaoke or drink or just hang out, and play PS3 games or windowshop all night long.