The Power of the Glory Hole: Part I

"I sucked my first cock through a gloryhole, sunbuns!" (Matt37)

I had a fake ID and used to go in one at 17. It was a thrill to watch the vids and JO, stick mt cock thru the hole and get sucked. so intense. (Taddy7)

I got my first blowjob through a GH, which was my first sexual experience. Still love it to this day, although the places to find them (other than sex clubs) are very few and far between. (MRMATTX2)

Not all of the experiences and opinions are favorable though.

A friend of mine put his cock thru' a glory hole waiting to get sucked and, instead, the door burst open and the guy flashed a police badge at him. So apart from diseases and unclean dudes, there's also the danger of getting sprung by the law. And what about the queer bashers? Nope, there are too many negatives in my book!!! (Lambada)

It's pretty amazing how many guys have actually said that their first 'gay' sex was anonymous. Of course, many boys and men grow up experiencing some kind of sexual exploration with other boys - something that - maybe -most boys do, but that's not the purpose of this blog entry. Maybe another one later.

Part of this blog entry is based on some forum discussion at JUB and other sites. 

That was also my own first 'real' gay (M2M) sexual encounter:

First suck...first sex.. yeah, that was it for me, too. It wasn't a gloryhole but I sucked my first cock at 19 under a stall in the men's room of the university library. I never saw who it was - just his shoes. I was nervous but excited as hell. He sucked me first and then I did him -- he came so quickly but was polite enough to ask if I could take it .

 I got a fetish (or at least fascinated with the idea of gloryholes). 

Anybody else? I've put some my pics on a Flickr group - it's way for to pool everybody's collection but still retain the pics as your 'own'. 
You may need to sign up for the group (and to Flickr, of course) to see them. 


Under Stall Action/Gloryhole (you'll only see the few public pics until you sign up/join the group)

http://www.flickr.com/groups/45957610@N00/


Below is a RECAP some previous posts on JUB Forum and other related discussion threads here and elsewhere: 

Are there any ways to find public glory holes in your area?

You can also find possible gloryholes at http://www.cruisingforsex.com

Look in the LISTINGs section, search by location (city/country).
The info is not always up-to-date because such places have a tendency to come (cum) and go! I mean.. the situation and circumstances change -- sometimes overnight... but then a good hole is hard to find but also hard to lose.

Adult bookstores are just the right palce to enjoy porn and blow job at glory hole. Gay bathhouses have glory holes for added pleasure.

Adult bookstores are just the right palce to enjoy porn and blow job at glory hole. Gay bathhouses have glory holes for added pleasure

Try craigslist.com in your town to find gloryholes and cruising spots. For another source: http://members.lycos.co.uk/rux/gh.html
Great for finding gloryholes: 
http://www.squirt.org !
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In a recent posting on another discussion board, the topic of glory holes came up. It's seem I am far from the only person who intrigued, fascinated and somewhat obsessed with the form of invasively impersonal (well - intimate is not quite the right word) and anonymous gay (male-male) sex. I add the m2m (male-to-male) because there are many men (and quite a few women) who don't identify with being gay, but who enjoy participating in glory hole, under stall, and public toilet cruising for sex with strangers. It's called 'cottaging' in Commonwealth English. 

Neovirgin wrote: Not too sure where to put this ..... have any of you ever taken candid pics of guys' cocks that have been pushed through gloryholes in a public toilet? In other words, pics of their cocks without their knowing it? If you have, I would love to see the pics! The closest I have seen is what appears to be a genuine candid video of one guy wanking another one under a toilet partition until he cums. 

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 I wrote back to him but ended up adding more than he expected. 
Funny, that's often the very thing that happens in real glory hole and under stall situations. 
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Nordicboy (-- also a DickFlash member/poster) has collected some of those on his own blog from Xtube and elsewhere. 

He's posted the link on DF before, but there are definitely some vids there about anonymous dicks sticking thru glory holes (apparently real - not staged porn). 

http://nordicboy.blogspot.com 
http://www.xtube.com
http://www.pornotube.com

It would be VERY hard (smile) to actually get away with videotaping such things.. most g-hole are too dark and not many people except sort of hard core flashers are going sit there and willing let a complete stranger video or photograph them erect and cumming thru a g-hole. -- so unless the other guy is aware of what you're doing, it's not actually REAL true flash -- it's just amateur porn, then. 

Another person responded with something I found quite amazing and so, I was doubtful, and responded his point that he'd actually videotaped at glory holes.            Growler: I have videoed this and other types of voyeurism for years. Yes, it's amateur porn but then so is videoing someone flashing. When you stick your dick under a partition or through a hole you usually don't see what the other person is doing or who it even is. That's why it's anonymous sex. 

What I was referring too what was requested in the ORIGINAL post (quoted above) written by neovirgin. He was looking for genuine candid video and pics of "guys' cocks that have been pushed through gloryholes in a public toilet" - where they don't know it. That's what I was saying - It is rather difficult to find them on the net -EXCEPT in some kind of amateur porn (uloaded to video/pic sharing sites). 

To Neovirign <

Flickr Group: Under Stall Action/Gloryhole
http://www.flickr.com/groups/45957610@N00/
If it becomes a private group (leave a message and I'll send you an invitation).
http://www.flickr.com/profile/sunbuns
Note: You can a free Flickr account or just use a Yahoo id.

To Growler

sexual behavior research whose writing a book on the subject..

From my own experience ---from both side of the glory hole - most times both guys know what/who (at least they know it's somebody they want to suck or be sucked by) and why they want their cocks through a glory hole.
If you don't take a least a peek to see who's there and if they're showing interest, you might just pull back with a bloody stub. ... we're talking public toilet glory holes - not backroom bars or gay sauna/baths were you CAN expect with 99% accuracy that your dick's going to be swallowed with appreciation and with great gusto.

I still have a hard time imaging that you take a video camera in the men's room at Home Depot or some state Hwy roadside restroom and shoot pics of stranger's dicks thru g-holes. Damn, it's even hard to find them these days.
I couldn't and wouldn't dare try to get away with using a cellphone cam/vid without the other person knowing or encouraging me first. Way too risky for me.. Most bathhouse and saunas now prohibit photography or cell phone. The one in Waikiki will NOT even allow bags or backpacks AT ALL., and San Jose's Water Garden checks all bags (for liquor and camers/vidcams). Somewhere I went had me check my cell phone with my other valuables - shutting it down first.

Not to cause a needless argument about this - NEOVIRGIN - don't bother looking for pics - go find yourself a busy glory hole and enjoy the view.

I would like to see a few of yours , Growler- and NOT just to prove your point.

Great stuff.. You've got more guts (and probably bigger balls) than I do - taking those. Would love to hear some of your stories - about taking them. I am sorry there are cheats and liars (people who steal pics and videotapes) who republish - but if someone you know or you are in them, you DO have legal recourse (hardly worth unless he's making a bundle). 

I guess I've only partly learned my lesson. But I never pass up a good glory hole - love to give and get it - from both ends (safeway.. (not BB) of course). I just hope some places don't have hidden micro-cameras - I'd have to be shown on 60 Minutes some day! LOL 

Some dickflashers and guys who like to frequent glory holes and who look for public m2m sex are NOT gay (meaning they don't see themselves as queer and don't want to identify with being a gay person or lifestyle. 

-- I realize that -- but one perv can't call another a BIGGER perv -- unless...he IS small(er) and not many will admit that. LOL. 
 

Travel Escapades:  Budapest  Part 2 -- mainly travel advice and recommendations

Trip to Budapest August from a decade ago (part of my first Eastern Europe journey) -- See my separate JUB blog entry about my first nude massage experience at Kiraly Baths, Budapest. 

I got back from a trip to Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Croatia.
Budapest was the hottest party atmosphere -- a lot of tourists and hot Hungarian guys -especially on the weekends. I had fun at Action Club address is 42 Magyar (near Astoria Subway stop -- I think that is the address - -check cruisingforsex dot com to be sure ). It has a rainbow symbol on the door but does not open until 9pm. You have to buy a minimum of 1300 fts (a couple of drinks -- beer is 500 forents) and keep up with the tab since you pay on the way out (a guy at the exit has to check your tab to see if you have paid yet before he unlocks the door). However, there is a back room where it got hot and heavy. I also had a very good time cruising for sex in Kiraly Baths - -it only for men on Tuesday /Thursday/Sat 10am-8pm? -- 3 hour time limit and bathing suit required but that does not prevent sex in the pools, sauna and other areas. Rac and Rudas Baths are also supposedly good for male sex too but did not try. I heard there was nude sunbathing at Margit Island but could not find it -- the outdoor thermal baths was closed there that day. 

I did stroll completely around Margit Island and looked for a place to get naked but it was pretty busy with locals and tourists alike. There was also a large movie crew at one section which they blocked off, filming a scene with the river in the background. 
I would love to return to try out the naturist sun terrace at Palatinus Baths, as well as some of the other places and see more sights. 

I was there in late August - just missed the Palatinus (open air bath with nude sun terrace) because it closes each year around Aug 22. 

The traditional Turkish and Hungarian baths are worth at least one visit- just for the ambiance and architecture. Kiraly was supposedly a lot quieter than it had been (see Budapest Gayguide.net articles) -- I admit it WAS fairly tame - although I did get my cock sucked in the steam room and also again in a more secluded area. I had fun - -but there was much more overt action in the dark rooms at Action Club. (see above post).

Hungarian men seemed not to hestitate to bareback so take precautions. 
I found some other info at:
http://gayguide.net/Europe/Hungary/B...

Look for info here too
http://www.guidemag.com/travel/

http://www.cruisingforsex.com also has specific listings for many cities/countries with comments from people who have been there. 

Additional recommendations below by Teddski (dudesnude.com)

Rac Baths (Rac Furdo) - Built during the reign of King Zsignond in the early 15th century. Men only on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday and only open from 6:30 am - 6 pm and are particularly popular with the gay community. But watch for hustlers. Almost everyone that spoke English was looking to rent.

Rudas Baths (Rudas Baths) - A high domed roof admits bluish green light into the dark stone hall above the oxdigon shaped pool. Over 1,000 years old it was originally constructed by the Romans. A Men only bath that has a good reputation with the gay community. Open 6 am - 6 pm with a lot of high school age guys hitting the warm waters before classes.

Statue Park (Szobar Park) - A thirty minute trip to the south of the city is an open air exhibit of 42 Communist statues. They were originally located in all of the cities public squares, but were removed in 1989.

Chain Bridge - (Szechenyi Lanchid) Bridge over the Danube River connecting Buda and Pest.

St. Stephen's Basilica - Chief landmark of Pest that can hold 8,500 people.

Amstel River Cafe - I stopped in for lunch, mentioned to the waiter that I was from America, and the owner of the restaurant came over and spent 90 minutes telling me where I should go out in the gay community and places to really stay away.

Angel Bar and Disco -- The most popular gay bars with a fun dance floor.

Action Bar - No name posted outside. Look for the red light shining on a letter A. As mentioned above, a card is given upon entry and all drinks are charged to be paid in full when leaving the bar. This is done to keep hustlers from hitting on guys, since you really need to buy alcohol to stay. 

An excellent guide is the Fodor's Prague and Budapest Guide.

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The kind of flashing that appeals to me is the sort of 'semi' innocent flashing where guys get naked when changing clothes. It is not as if they really are intending to shock somebody by masturbating and blowing your load right in front of people .. it's a kind of laid-back form of (almost) unintentional public nudity. Don't get me wrong -- I'd probably love being exhibitionistic more overtly in certain circumstances -- like the in a gay theatre or sex club -- I know I've enjoyed being watched in gay saunas -- but that is a kind of private sex life that I am not talking about here. 

At least for now, the only kind of public flashing I can do is the accidental exposure - "you weren't supposed to set that" type. I have found that some parks (depends on the country and the city) are great for this type of spontaneous 'naturist' flashing and other are not. 

I have already written about how guys in Japan who are with their teams -- often change in public parks and just outside public ball fields -- you can sometimes get quite a show when they strip down to nothing or try to jump out of their athletic gear and into their street clothes. 

There are other places where I have experienced something a bit different. It seems that there is 'room' in society for a lot of male public nudity in Europe. 

Donau Insel (Donau Island), Vienna

Link to info about nudism on Donau Insel (Donau Island inside Vienna on the Danube River):

http://www.nudismus.cz/reports.html

Donau Island in Vienna and its excessive public parks along the Danube River were excellent for this kind of 'innocent' flashing. Along there somewhere may well be a section that is totally nude, but I couldn't find it. It is easy to take the train (subway) to one of at least two stations along this public park-way or arrive at one and walk (30 min) to return via the other - which is the way I explore the area. 



I found that you were more likely to just happen across a nude man or women or see people pull of their clothes to get into the water. A few couples were going at it .. like a woman giving a guy a handjob under his shorts, but it is mainly a family like atmosphere - -but with some nude people mixed in - typically as singles. the long thin island is where I walked and then sunbathed nude, although there were a lot of people on the opposite banks -- the river is quite wide so it was not easy to see what state of undress people were on the far banks. 

What I liked is that you could change clothes (and flashing cyclist) or pick a spot up on the embankments and just get naked, or go for a nude swim and it was not a big deal -- at least not for the casual observers who might glance your way.
 
Obviously, Englischer Garten in Munich would be another place -- it was raining hard when I was there in August. 

Innocent Flashing Spots:

Can anyone recommend other places/parks/ public recreation areas where this can easily happen (in North America or elsewhere too)? 

Much of the US tends to be so puritanical about nudity that people are likely to call the police on somebody who  is just peeing, let alone actually sunbathing nude in a public park.

Well, that's another sad story, which I'll defer to another time. 
Happy naked sunbathing,
Cheers, 
Kelly

I am gradually become a flasher or at least I find it increasingly provocative to freeball or sometimes wear semi-transparent or see-thru clothes.

For the first time in a very LONG time, I was actually FLASHED last night (July 21). I am so excited because this means I am NOT alone - -there is at least one other guy in my neighborhood area who into flashing/streaking. Great!



Now back to my story about getting flashed on July 21st!

Anyway, I went out last night (July 21) at about 11pm. That's not my usual mode-- I don't get off by just flashing in the dark -- I mean what's the point in flashing if nobody can see you. However, now I see WHY guys do go out and flash at night. They may have MORE chance of actually been seen because the flashees are more likely to be looking.

I usually walk my dog almost every morning between the hours of 6-8am and I hardly ever even get so much as a glance -- even when I am wearing my latest creation (see photo -- a pair of nylon athletic /jogging pants with the lining cut out -- just leaving a pair of very revealing mesh pants). 

So before you write me off as a true perv -- just realize that I don't think that I have actually been "seen" by anybody in my neighborhood. I am discreet and also chicken-hearted (no -- I did NOT say chickenshit). My flashing near or at nude beaches and at gay resorts, or in the French Quarter for Southern Decadence, does not really count at flashing - I mean most of the people there are doing it too or are out looking for those who are.

 








I was delighted when I got up the entrance of the huge cemetery about 700 ft from my place -- to see a guy completely naked about 50 ft away jogging up the narrow elevated walk way the runs along the edge of the cemetery. He must have seen me first as I emerged from the side street because by the time I saw him, he had flipped around and headed off in the other direction. Of course, he wouldn't know I would absolutely want to JOIN him in his naked romp so he did what most good flashers do -- he turned around and just jogged back the way he came. I lost him because the trail roams in and out among pines and other trees -- so he pranced down the natural obstacle course and before I could cross and start to follow, he was already gone. 



I didn't want to RUN after him and scare him away forever -- he might too scared to do it again if he thought I was a self-righteous pervert-basher -- so I did the next best thing: I got naked too and walked down the same path (under intermittent street lights and then entered the cemetery from the next entrance about 200 yards down the way. There weren't many cars passing by but there is a row of houses which line the street on the opposite side. Any body could just look out the window. I can just hear them now saying " Oh look, George -- there goes another naked guy." "Yes, dear. I guess the full moon brings out all the streakers." LOL; 
Actually, that's more what we looked like -- streakers -- than flashers. 

I went in the cemetery and walk around - naked and stroking - of course - but he didn't come back by. You can see through the scattered line of trees along fence line where that pathway winds all along the eastern edge of the cemetery. So I'm looking forward to meeting up with a fellow flasher -- or maybe it was just a one-time full moon event. 

I went back to the scene of that flash this morning and showed a little bit of full MOON of my own -- here's what those jogging pants look like. 

I am definitely going to take them (and wear them wherever I can get away with it) during my long extended travels from now until after Labor Day. 

See you in Japan, Hawaii (Puna), Russian River (CA), in KY/Ohio/NY, Canada(Ottawa), Provincetown, NYC, Munich/Prague, Croatia (Rovinj), and maybe at Southern Decadence -- these pants will not even attract attention on the French Quarter with so many guys with their crotches open and women with their boobs exposed. 

More of the travel adventures in a later blog.

"The spirit is willing but the flash is week day and and week end. "

[Part of several responses on a gay travel discussion board　]
The following is a collection of separate entries that I've made on gay travel .

Warm places to visit during winter (in North America):

 South Texas or San Antonio, New Mexico, San Diego or Arizona would probably feel very warm compared to those bitterly cold (but sometimes sunny) days where most people in North America live. Looking for a great travel destination - -to get away from the winter cold and blahs?

I always recommend Hawaii (of course)-- take in at least two of the islands (Oahu and the Big Island).  How about the Caribbean islands - -although I've never been. Mexico and points south could be great... I want to visit Belize, Costa Rica or Honduras. Brazil and Argentina also get high marks for warmth - both temperature and cultural and subcultural too. It does not get any 'gayer' than Rio or Sao Paulo during Carnival and Gay Carnival(s).

I think Australia would be great -- in time for Gay Carnival (maybe it has another name) -- not only

Sydney but visit Cairns, or even Melbourne, Brisbane for their special features.
New Zealand is rated as one the best places to visit on the planet. There are also other great places in the South Pacific.

I'm dying to return to the Canary Islands - but it is not quite warm enough until March. However, South Africa would be a blast during our winter. Maybe West Africa -- Senegal or Ghana.


By the way, what about NOT traveling alone?

You could try finding a travel partner or join an organized trip or tour.  For example, sometimes your college or a university in your area or even across the country, sometimes offers organized study-tours that may fit your schedule, budget and choice of location as well as really getting you deeply into some aspect of the culture you visit.

They are generally set-up by the continuing education division and professional association and other types of groups/organization sometimes offer them too.

Gay-oriented tours/trips

Have you (or has anyone else) had experience with joining an organized group trip as a single (gay) man? How was it? Would you recommend it?
Does anyone know of how / where to connect with some good gay (or all male) travel groups or organized trips?

I have a partial list here but hope other can add more:

Kalani (Gay men's retreat during certain weeks at this Big Island Hawaii resort (add dot com to find the web site).
You can also stay there without participating in a retreat or conference.

Gay.com has a gay travel section that may have organized trips to some place warm during the winter.

Travelocity and Orbtiz seem to have a special Gay and Lesbian travel section with some organized tours.

There are Pride celebrations in warmer spots (some already mentioned).

You might find a travel buddy -- even here on Dudenudes.com or try one of the other such as Hardbuddies.com has a travelers and expanded invitation section so that you can try to hook up both BEFORE you go and also when you get there.

QTmagazine used to have ads for travel buddies, but I don't think it worked very well or was popular enough.

Is there another site that does these kinds of things to get travel partner together?

Craig's List lets you post ads -- but they may not be your cup of tea -- so to speak.

Specialized tours or adventure or sporting trips
Gaysports.com and gayoutdoors.com may have links to some possibilities.
Also, there are a couple of tour operators for gay cruises, guided tours and scuba diving or sail boat trips, such as, alysonadventures.com
and underseax.com. These latter types tend to be quite expensive.

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Trips to Provincetown and to Croatia

Provincetown, MA (Cape Cod)

There is plenty to do in Provincetown, MA.  Herring Cove is THE hot spot -- it is a national/state (?) park but it's the mecca for most people who love the sun, sand and naked butts in Cape Cod and all kinds of people across the Northeast.  It is easy to drive to Provincetown from Boston, or you can take a ferry or high-speed ferry during the summer months directly from South Boston (a 10 minute walk the train station). There are also a couple of flights available daily with Cape Cod Air.

You can walk to Herring Cove from the town going down Commercial St, over to Bradford St, or ride a bike (NOT into the dunes, please) or drive a car (parking costs an entrance fee to the park), go left after the ranger station and park as far left as you can, then walk to the beach and to left about a half-mile or more - Provincetown is great in any season, but it's all the better with the hundreds of naked guys in the summer. The cruising in the dunes gets pretty hot too.



I'm not much into going to a gay bars, but there are some good ones in P-town; the streets are crowded and the restaurants are great -- the great one has long lines so plan accordingly. Renting a bike for a day and riding the National seashore park is fun. After 5 days you'll probably want to do something different -- if you have the time (and some $$ to burn), I recommend a day trip to Boston on the hydrofoil (or ferry). It's $55 round trip but you can basically walk (or take a subway) to downtown Boston and see a lot historical sights for free.

Anybody traveling to P-town may see me walking down Commercial St or Bradford in my see-thru shorts or jogging pants. Give me a hoot..
Otherwise, see you 'au poil' on the beach.. from Pensacola to Montreal this summer.

Update: I had a great trip to Provincetown in August. I stayed for 4 nights at Dune's Edge Campground, a family oriented but gay-friendly place just off Highway 6A as you approach P-town. You can find it via Google. It is a 10-minute walk from Commercial St. During the winter, you probably cannot camp -- although you might also try Coastal Acres Campground.  For stays during the winter, you could try some of the B&Bs or inns or look at Redweek.com or VRBO.com or a similar site to rent a timeshare or a vacation rental.

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Croatia

I travelled by train from rainy Budapest but it was clear and sunny on the Croatian coast (here is a pic from Rijeka on Monday, Aug 29). It was drizzling in Zagreb that morning but clear by the time I got to Rijeka. So a cruise to some of the outer islands would have been fabulous (weather wise) if I had had more time.

I decided to return to Budapest where cruising for hot men was easier -- I also had a gorgeous day getting naked at Donau Island in Vienna on Aug 31.
So I think the weather is variable but there seems to be some likelihood for some good weather on the Croatian coast even when it is rainy inland - still locals should know better and take the advice to see local weather forecasts online.

I could not stay as long as I would have liked so I will just have to go back.
I went by train from Budapest -- of course flying would be cheaper or is there a quicker way to get to the Croatian coast. I've heard the ferries from Italy are good.. Anybody got a better idea?

Next time I want to go the supposedly great nude sunbathing beaches on the Croatian coast..
I gave up on doing so this time from Rovinj because the buses seemed to be so infrequent..where is the best place to find out gay guys interested in sun/fun and hopefully sex on the beach?

 

Loving to be with guys who are naked (or being naked with guys who aren't).... that's the core of what CMNM (clothed male / naked male) situations are all about.

Some (of us) are really in to it.. and seek out such situations whenever possible - of course, it's a gay thing for many of us.

By the way, it is NOT ONLY about homosexual attraction. I could go on and on... but men need (and enjoy) using nudity between themselves and in groups of men (like sports teams, fraternity, army/military, clics and groups of buddies, while in temporary all male situations, such as camping, scouting, etc) and have done it since the beginning of societies... (I'm not talking physical desire or lust between men) to express friendship, belonging to a group, male affection and camaraderie, and dependence/interdependence, control/authority, loyal, leadership, bravura/machismo, and platonic or brotherly love.


I think almost every guy has some times (or even a lot) when he wants to see them

naked or be seen naked by his buddies. It's part of identifying with being a man. We've had this discussion in bits and pieces many times on this forum before. When you absolutely 'need' to be naked or be the clothed guy around naked ones (for various reasons - different for every person) then you are said to be into CMNM or have it as a fetish (if you need it to get off).

I've gone forward (evolved?) in exploring CMNM in myself, and also socially. I have set up many online CmNm groups, and have been trying to organize off-line real CMNM events, meet-ups, parties, etc.

I have a regular blog devoted to the subject: Guys Into CMNM at:

http://guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com

From the Guys Into CMNM blog, you can find your way to both local and international groups, and several online social networks devoted to CMNM activities and interests.

Find out more at in my JUB blog post just below or at the CMNM Party at Steamworks Toronto,  July 29, 2017 from
7:00 pm - 11:00 pm
See details at:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cmnm-party-at-steamworks-toronto-sat-july-29-tickets-33367421857

If there's enough participation (well in advance), we'll be hiring stripper, and

clothed/costumed performers for parties / CMNM role-playing at a private residence. Some events are public or low cost, others required advance booking.

You can also keep up with updates on the CMNM Twitter:
http://twitter.com/cmnm
or read updates as they are posted/re-posted and tweeted at:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cmnm-party-at-steamworks-toronto-sat-july-29-tickets-33367421857

Hope you can 'show' up!   But if not, then some day there may be a CMNM Event near you. )

Kelly, organizer
-- You can also read about this and more CMNM posts in my JUB blog or visit:
Guys Into CMNM   http://guysn2cmnm.blogspot.com
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Kelly

The spirit is willing but the flash is weak-- day and night.
http://sunbuns.blogspot.com